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RE: tables in forums editor? - SMcNeill - 06-03-2024

@madscjr No diatrabe, nor any attack/rant against you in particular, nor was I getting defensive.  Honestly, I was just trying to answer the question: 

Quote:I tried fixing the table code using trial & error, and hit upon adding the "=95" and putting a space after the [ tr ] tags, and it seems to be working now. 

Does anyone have any idea why?

Sometimes, Steve has a tendecy to OVEREXPLAIN things, as he tends to have the heart of a teacher (Proabably one of those old, crotchery, white-haired teachers who should've retired 20 years ago!) -- thus the posts for the Keywords of the Day, and the tutorials, and lessons and everything else.  Big Grin

The problem with answering a question like "Why?", is knowing how much detail the user wants, and how far down the rabbit hole of knowledge you need to back up so they'll understand.   In this case, I was basically just explaining what MyCode is, why we'd want it instead of raw HTML, and then how it basically works -- as that's all essential for understanding *WHY* the misformatted table blows up the forums.

Sounds like you weren't really looking for "Why does the forum posts melt down and move my EDIT buttons and screw up formatting and everything else...", but instead you just wanted to know "Why did this mess up?"

And the answer there is the much simpler, as you suggested yourself, "You just didn't follow the proper syntax with "=width" after the word "table".  Big Grin

RE: tables in forums editor? - Kernelpanic - 06-03-2024

Quote:PS I'd still like to help Kernelpanic learn to add a simple table to his posts, but that's neither here nor there.
Thank you for your effort! For me, it's just for fun, if it doesn't work that way - I understand McNeill's reasoning - it's not a big deal. I've learned something new again.
On tables and "with", here's an example in HTML; I once put a few bike tours online when I still had a website:

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<!-- 13.5.1998 -->



<HTML>

<HEAD>

<TITLE>Belzig-Potsdam</TITLE>

</HEAD>



<STYLE TYPE="text/css">

<!--

FONT.bes {font-family: arial, times, sans-serif; font-weight:normal; font-size:10pt}

FONT.ueb {font-family: "times roman", serif; font-weight:bold; font-style:italic; font-size:11pt; color:#00B200; text-decoration:underline}

-->

</STYLE>

<BODY BGCOLOR="#FFFFFF">



<TABLE BORDER=3 WIDTH=60% BORDERCOLORDARK="#00008B" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#0000CF">

<TR>

<TH BACKGROUND="../../Bilder/sunset.JPG" BORDER=0>

<FONT style="font-family:times, serif; font-weight:bold; font-style:italic; font-size:14pt; color:white">

Von Belzig über Burg Rabenstein und Niemegk nach Potsdam

</FONT></TH>

</TR> 

</TABLE>



<TABLE WIDTH=60%>

<TR>

<TD ALIGN=MIDDLE><B>In unregelmäßigen Abständen werden hier Tourentips 

für Radtouren in Berlin und Brandenburg veröffentlicht</B>

</TD>

</TR>

<TR>

<TD ALIGN=CENTER>

<FONT style="font-weight:bold; font-size:11pt; color:#800080">

Tip Nr.5 vom 10. Mai 1998: Belzig - Potsdam  ca. 100 Km</FONT>

</TD>

</TR>

</TABLE>

If you want to create your own website, get Homesite (I can also send you the editor) and a book about HTML. Back then, you had to teach yourself everything, and the best book on the subject was Laura Lemay's book (I had/have the German edition).

The American original: Teach Yourself Web Publishing with Html 3.2 in 14 Days Premier Edition )
The German edition:  HTML 3.2 Buch und CD-ROM

[Image: Rabensteitour2024-06-03.jpg]

RE: tables in forums editor? - madscijr - 06-03-2024

(06-03-2024, 06:51 PM)SMcNeill Wrote: @madscjr No diatrabe, nor any attack/rant against you in particular, nor was I getting defensive.  Honestly, I was just trying to answer the question: 

Quote:I tried fixing the table code using trial & error, and hit upon adding the "=95" and putting a space after the [ tr ] tags, and it seems to be working now. 

Does anyone have any idea why?

Sometimes, Steve has a tendecy to OVEREXPLAIN things, as he tends to have the heart of a teacher (Proabably one of those old, crotchery, white-haired teachers who should've retired 20 years ago!) -- thus the posts for the Keywords of the Day, and the tutorials, and lessons and everything else.  Big Grin

The problem with answering a question like "Why?", is knowing how much detail the user wants, and how far down the rabbit hole of knowledge you need to back up so they'll understand.   In this case, I was basically just explaining what MyCode is, why we'd want it instead of raw HTML, and then how it basically works -- as that's all essential for understanding *WHY* the misformatted table blows up the forums.

Sounds like you weren't really looking for "Why does the forum posts melt down and move my EDIT buttons and screw up formatting and everything else...", but instead you just wanted to know "Why did this mess up?"

And the answer there is the much simpler, as you suggested yourself, "You just didn't follow the proper syntax with "=width" after the word "table".  Big Grin

No worries! A lot of people don't know why we don't want to let users use raw HTML for formatting editable online-based text for user-generated content in forums, wikis and content mgmt systems (CMS), and it does require explaining. 

But yes, in this case I just wanted to know why things got messed up, since I was trying to help our friend kernelpanic, and went and hosed the whole page with my own example code! It started to feel like "the blind leading the blind", LoL!

RE: tables in forums editor? - madscijr - 06-03-2024

(06-03-2024, 06:54 PM)Kernelpanic Wrote:
Quote:PS I'd still like to help Kernelpanic learn to add a simple table to his posts, but that's neither here nor there.
Thank you for your effort! For me, it's just for fun, if it doesn't work that way - I understand McNeill's reasoning - it's not a big deal. I've learned something new again.
On tables and "with", here's an example in HTML; I once put a few bike tours online when I still had a website:
...

If you want to create your own website, get Homesite (I can also send you the editor) and a book about HTML. Back then, you had to teach yourself everything, and the best book on the subject was Laura Lemay's book (I had/have the German edition).
Thanks KernelPanic. That's a very nice page you shared. Cheers

RE: tables in forums editor? - SMcNeill - 06-03-2024


Von Belzig über Burg Rabenstein und Niemegk nach Potsdam
In unregelmäßigen Abständen werden hier Tourentips
für Radtouren in Berlin und Brandenburg veröffentlicht
Tip Nr.5 vom 10. Mai 1998: Belzig - Potsdam  ca. 100 Km

@KernalPanic Using tne code you provided, this is basically the parts of that which we support for the forums, and here's the code which generates that table:

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[TABLE=60%]
[TR]
[TH]
Von Belzig über Burg Rabenstein und Niemegk nach Potsdam
[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][b]In unregelmäßigen Abständen werden hier Tourentips für Radtouren in Berlin und Brandenburg veröffentlicht[/b]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Tip Nr.5 vom 10. Mai 1998: Belzig - Potsdam  ca. 100 Km
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

As you can see, the biggest problem is your code is trying to make use of commands and parameters which the forums don't support.  You've got to keep it simple, as the forums aren't a fraction as flexible or powerful as raw HTML is.  Smile

RE: tables in forums editor? - admin - 06-14-2024

Went in and added the syntax to just use [ table ], without having to specify the width. This should be a little simpler syntax for everyone (and also keep me from screwing up as I, personally, keep forgetting about having to add that =## after Tongue ).


So no longer are you required to do:

[ table=### ] (Though you can still use this syntax, if you want.)

Now, you can just simply use:

[ table ]

(Without the spaces in that MyCode, of course.)

RE: tables in forums editor? - madscijr - 06-14-2024

(06-14-2024, 06:43 PM)admin Wrote: Went in and added the syntax to just use [ table ], without having to specify the width.  This should be a little simpler syntax for everyone (and also keep me from screwing up as I, personally, keep forgetting about having to add that =## after Tongue ). 


So no longer are you required to do:

[ table=### ]      (Though you can still use this syntax, if you want.)

Now, you can just simply use:

[ table ]

(Without the spaces in that MyCode, of course.)

Good deal - one less way to screw up! LoL