Win 10 Users. No more Windows F'updates!

[Pete]

The message title says it all.

Woohoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hsiangch_ong]

whoo hoo!  that linux isn't expected to increase.  the real number of its desktop users even by 1%.

because many things are happening.  that are totally turning me off from 64-bit computing.  in which mobile is a very poor recourse.

foss is becoming a joke in all honesty.  things are becoming more bloated.  yeah it has to look pretty!  while there are many lagoons.  it's no use bragging a few areas are filled in.  such as ham radio and scientific research.  and the possibility to offer free software by and for t******sts.

kde plasma 6 is awesome, people keep saying.  i would lie i would agree with them.  for one year i tried to like cinnamon desktop.  but the thing is slow.  ugly no matter what they do to it.  requires a specific command to kill it and restart it.  an operating system with the same exact base.  which carries cinnamon desktop.  takes noticeably longer to start and stop.  than the same with a different desktop.  maybe it's like that with gnome and whatever is based on it.  increasingly i need to run a half-desktop.  with "x11" sessions only.  to get an "operating system."  that jumps to the "desktop" in less than ten seconds.  not even mx linux could do it now.

no, this isn't linux mint i've been talking about.  because after i was able to install "xia".  the dumb thing refused to boot.  tried it even on an internal disk that used to have windows10.  yay it worked only then!  but then it was borked.  i had much better luck with ubuntu studio "noble numbat".  which iso size is 7-1/2gib.

yeah it's depressing.  although windows10 was a holdover for me at best.  i hankered for my less-capable toshiba portable computers.  running windowsxp with 32-bit music-creation software.  and an insufficient version of qb64.  there are a few things i wouldn't give up that i learned later.  otherwise if i had more money and time.  i wouldn't hesitate to totally go back to 32-bit.  and even less dependence on internet.  which is poisoning my mind and soul.

[SMcNeill]

I honestly don't know how you can live inside 32-bit limits.   32-bit has a max of about 1.5GB of memory available for any single program to run before you start pressing the limit possible.  Maybe it's just that I'm used to playing the modern games with 24GB video ram and 128 GB memory, but anytime I open my task manager and peep at one of them running, it's using much more memory than that.  The only way I think you could keep within that 32-bit limit is if you basically keep to software/games which are 10+ years old.  As we move forward, every year it just gets worse.  PCs are released all the time with higher base levels of ram installed, and video cards are always being released with more memory.  My friend has a dedicated gaming PC with dual 24GB video cards and 256GB ram just so he can play competitively at insane FPS rates with the newest crap on the highest settings on a 480fps monitor.  Everything on his machine is measured in nanosecond respond time.  Mouse is 0.06 ns response!  Keyboard is 0.001 ns response!  

F THAT!!

*Steve* is not that responsive so I don't require a F'n machine to be that responsive either.  I'm slow, arthritic, and enjoy a lot of the 2D turn-based games.  Real time 3D shooters and stuff just aren't my cup of tea, just because I do have arthritis in my joints and knuckles and can't respond fast enough to be competitive in them.

But I do want a machine that I can multi-task with, with a dozen different windows open in the background so I can swap between them for reference and everything else. 

   

I mean heck, you can see from the task manager here, my *web browser* wouldn't even run inside a 32-bit environment due to the memory constraints.  I honestly don't know how the heck you manage to run anything modern on a 32-bit OS.  Everything on your system must either be old, or optimized as a "light weight" version.

[bplus]

Too bad this doesn't mean no more Windows F'ups!

wait... I just had an update last night? ???

[Magdha]

There is "Windows 10 Consumer Extended Security Updates (ESU)" available - how kind of Microsoft!  I have a number of PCs connected to my router with them sync'ed on Microsoft, and low-and-behold the ESU is free for a year.  Better than nothing, and then my remaining Windows10 machine will go off-line.

[Dimster]

So what is the main risk of continuing to use Windows 10 and not get another update? Is it a security factor only?

[bplus]

There is an extortion factor too. MS is determined to suck money from you by forcing you to subscribe for Cloud services on Win 11. Your Desktop is now in the Cloud and when you exceed 5 GB storage no more email access until you subscribe for more room. I suspect this is only the start of subscription extortion.

Sorry bplus is being pretty negative, on the plus side I have more than 5 GB of QB64 files and folders

[SMcNeill]

There is an extortion factor too. MS is determined to suck money from you by forcing you to subscribe for Cloud services on Win 11. Your Desktop is now in the Cloud and when you exceed 5 GB storage no more email access until you subscribe for more room. I suspect this is only the start of subscription extortion.

Sorry bplus is being pretty negative, on the plus side I have more than 5 GB of QB64 files and folders

Umm... Somebody lied to you, or you misunderstood something, or something...

Your desktop is the same place it's always been with Win 11 -- on your desktop.  It's not in any cloud.

Windows 11 comes with 5GB OneDrive -- but that's also available for you win Windows 10.  If you don't use it, just uninstall it.

Windows 11 has jack shit to do with your email access, much less any storage limit on it.  My email is from @swva.net.  Many folks have email @google.com or @yahoo.com or something similar.  WTF would microsoft have anything whatsoever to do with your storage limit with it then?  

Even *IF* you're using Outlook for your email, the limits are larger than that: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/offi...fdd26dd770

If you don't have a Microsoft 365 subscription, you get 15 GB of free mailbox storage for your Outlook.com emails, contacts and calendar items. You also get 5 GB of free cloud storage for your email attachments, files and photos in OneDrive.

So where this idea of only have 5GB for email or desktop or whatnot comes from, I have no clue.

OneDrive has a free 5GB online storage for you, but that's 100% optional and you can uninstall it and kick it out the door if you want. It's mainly really useful for syncing your desktops so they look the same on multiple devices and have the same layout. But there's nothing in the world where you have to pay any subscription service to microsoft to run Windows 11.

Office has a yearly subscription cost of $69 per year, or $99 per year with AI support. It ups a lot of these limits (such as OneDrive from 5GB to 1TB online storage and Outlook from 15GB to 100GB email storage...), but nothing says you have to pay for those. If you're not paying for it in Win 10, there's nothing new to pay for in Win 11.

[Kernelpanic]

Not in Kraut-Country!   Microsoft probably feared a Germanic march against Munich (MS headquarters), like the one against the Romans in the Teutoburg Forest. 

But seriously: In Europe, support for Windows 10 has been extended by one year: Windows 10 lives!

[a740g]

Is that the ESU where you get 1 year of free extended service if you use an MSA and OneDrive system backup?