Win 10 Users. No more Windows F'updates!

[Kernelpanic]

As I understand it, you just need a MS account. I have had one for about 15 years or more;  a "@live" email account. Hasn't existed for a few years now.
We'll see. It'll be fine.

[bplus]

There is an extortion factor too. MS is determined to suck money from you by forcing you to subscribe for Cloud services on Win 11. Your Desktop is now in the Cloud and when you exceed 5 GB storage no more email access until you subscribe for more room. I suspect this is only the start of subscription extortion.

Sorry bplus is being pretty negative, on the plus side I have more than 5 GB of QB64 files and folders

Umm... Somebody lied to you, or you misunderstood something, or something...

Your desktop is the same place it's always been with Win 11 -- on your desktop.  It's not in any cloud.

Windows 11 comes with 5GB OneDrive -- but that's also available for you win Windows 10.  If you don't use it, just uninstall it.

Windows 11 has jack shit to do with your email access, much less any storage limit on it.  My email is from @swva.net.  Many folks have email @google.com or @yahoo.com or something similar.  WTF would microsoft have anything whatsoever to do with your storage limit with it then?  

Even *IF* you're using Outlook for your email, the limits are larger than that: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/offi...fdd26dd770

If you don't have a Microsoft 365 subscription, you get 15 GB of free mailbox storage for your Outlook.com emails, contacts and calendar items. You also get 5 GB of free cloud storage for your email attachments, files and photos in OneDrive.

So where this idea of only have 5GB for email or desktop or whatnot comes from, I have no clue.

OneDrive has a free 5GB online storage for you, but that's 100% optional and you can uninstall it and kick it out the door if you want.  It's mainly really useful for syncing your desktops so they look the same on multiple devices and have the same layout.  But there's nothing in the world where you have to pay any subscription service to microsoft to run Windows 11.

Office has a yearly subscription cost of $69 per year, or $99 per year with AI support.  It ups a lot of these limits (such as OneDrive from 5GB to 1TB online storage and Outlook from 15GB to 100GB email storage...), but nothing says you have to pay for those.  If you're not paying for it in Win 10, there's nothing new to pay for in Win 11.

or something...

I bought cheap Walmart Lenovo i3 Ideapad < $400. I had mistaken the opening Home Page (I guess thats what it is called) as my DeskTop like in Windows 10. It looks and acts just like it until you start trying the file Navigator. This Home Page is stored on OneDrive and when I copied my QB64 Folder to it and then QB64PE (or vice versa its been 4 months now) I had used up the 5 GB limit or very nearly, such that Outlook the email I use for some accts that requires Edge Browser links and my old email address... that (Outlook mail) apparently was stored under OneDrive too. So when OneDrive was loaded up or nearly so I could no longer use OutLook until I either subscribed for more space (they made easy to do) or I cleared out my OneDrive storage enough to allow me access (which was a nightmare to figure out). I was pissed and stymied for months because I didn't have time to figure out what the hell was going on. All I know is the opening screen in Windows 11 is NOT my DeskTop like it is in Windows 10. That denied access linked over to my old Windows 10 laptop as well until I finally frick'n figured out how to clear out the OneDrive apparently shared by both computers. 

Believe it or NOT!

[Kernelpanic]

It's running! A major update is currently running. I know it, it'll take about an hour, followed by a reboot. Everything's OK!



Take it cool!

[Pete]

Remember the Microsoft commercial that asked: "Where would you like to go today?" Now I wonder if they will put out another ad: "What do you want out of Windows?" Hell yes I want out of Windows!

Hey you Win 11 users will be off the hook soon too: " Windows 11 support varies by version: version 23H2 will end on November 11, 2025, while version 24H2 will end on October 13, 2026. The Home and Pro editions generally receive 24 months of support after their release."

Pete

[Kernelpanic]

Remember the Microsoft commercial that asked: "Where would you like to go today?"

Yeah and I know where I'm going! 

[SMcNeill]

or something...

I bought cheap Walmart Lenovo i3 Ideapad < $400. I had mistaken the opening Home Page (I guess thats what it is called) as my DeskTop like in Windows 10. It looks and acts just like it until you start trying the file Navigator. This Home Page is stored on OneDrive and when I copied my QB64 Folder to it and then QB64PE (or vice versa its been 4 months now) I had used up the 5 GB limit or very nearly, such that Outlook the email I use for some accts that requires Edge Browser links and my old email address... that (Outlook mail) apparently was stored under OneDrive too. So when OneDrive was loaded up or nearly so I could no longer use OutLook until I either subscribed for more space (they made easy to do) or I cleared out my OneDrive storage enough to allow me access (which was a nightmare to figure out). I was pissed and stymied for months because I didn't have time to figure out what the hell was going on. All I know is the opening screen in Windows 11 is NOT my DeskTop like it is in Windows 10. That denied access linked over to my old Windows 10 laptop as well until I finally frick'n figured out how to clear out the OneDrive apparently shared by both computers. 

Believe it or NOT!

Sounds to me like you hit the OneDrive limits.

Outlook gives you 15GB of storage, OneDrive only has 5. If you cloned the entire desktop on OneDrive and then put the QB64 folder on that desktop, you'd use up that 5GB fairly quickly the way it sounds. Normally you would put the folder in it's own directory and not directly on the desktop, and then just create a shortcut to it.

Where I bet you got hit with limits comes after that. Outlook only allows for minor attachments natively. (I forget exactly what the limit is as I'm not an outlook email user. 10mb? 20?) Anything beyond that small limit (such as a zipped up archive with some resource files), would tend to go to OneDrive to be stored and then linked to as an attachment.

When you hit that 5GB OneDrive limit, Outlook wouldn't accept anymore attachments and started yelling at you to upgrade/clear files.

^ That's about the only scenario I can imagine which comes close to what you're describing. Unless this was some time back and the limits were less then than what they are now. Like I say, I'm not an outlook user so I certainly haven't kept track of how their storage plans have changed over the ages. I can't imagine it was always 15GB though... particularly when outlook was first released in 95 or whatever the crap it was. LOL!

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Well I think I resolved the issue finally by figuring out how to clear OneDrive, not easy, not like using File Navigator and selecting mass amounts with stroke of mouse... 

I did find the normal DeskTop under users/me/DeskTop and then setup Files and Folders there like I have on Windows 10.
Then from the Start Menu I created a shortcut to that.

The Home page is useless to me if it's going to jam up OneDrive which in turn denies access to me to OutLook. 

BTW OutLook access might have been screwed up in another way because I moved and am using cell not the landline from the place I moved from. I might have gotten the issues confused, 2 issues not one. They both occured at same time when I moved and bought new computer because old Dell was crapped out as my Windows backup. I had to wait 30 days to get phone number changed for MS security requirements.

BTW if you are wondering why I put everything on DeskTop, it's because I've never had to WhiteList QB64 from there.

KP WTH?????

[madscijr]

Is that the ESU where you get 1 year of free extended service if you use an MSA and OneDrive system backup?

Apparently I had used OneDrive at some point to back up my then new PC, and have long since disabled OneDrive backups (good riddance!) and it still allowed me the extra year of ESU free. I don't use that machine for internet anyway, but just in case. 

I really hated OneDrive, BTW, not just because of the endless nagging to pay for more storage, but because they effing repoint your Documents, Pictures, etc. folders to a different folder under OneDrive. It's SO invasive. If they would just let you use it like dropbox where you tell it what folders to sync, and don't move your stuff, that wouldn't be so damn irritating.

[SMcNeill]

My problem with OneDrive is it's a f'n virus.  Worst virus I've ever had on my PC.

Problem is it likes to upload crap to the cloud.
Then it deletes crap off your PC to save room, and marks it "download on demand".
Issue comes if you have multiple PCs and then they start trying to sync and sort crap out.

PC 1:  Uploads foo.whatever to the web.
PC 2:  Downloads a copy of foo.whatever from the web and marks it "download on demand".
PC 2:  Makes some change.
PC 2:  Does an update to foo.whatever on the web.
PC 2:  Then deletes foo.whatever off the local drive as it's marked for "download on demand".
PC 1:  Does a sync, sees the file deleted off PC 2's folder list.   Deletes it from its folder.
PC 1:  Didn't have that file marked as "download on demand" as it was the original file that uploaded it onto the web.
PC 1:  Now marks it as "Deleted" and erases it off the web.
PC 2:  Does a sync and sees it deleted.  It now deletes it as well.

Congrats!   OneDrive just BLEEPING deleted both files off your PC and the version off the web and now it's going FOREVER!!!

I lost GBs of files to this crap from OneDrive before I caught it.  If it's just used on a single PC, I don't guess it'd ever be an issue.  But once you start syncing across multiple PCs, it quickly becomes a nightmare with that crappy bleeping "download on demand".   

Honestly, I *like* the concept.  My desktop pc has a 20 TB drive in it.  It's got a shit ton of storage space and I like everything there to stay on the drive so it's always offline and easy to use even if offline.   My laptop has 2 TB of SSD superfast storage in it.  It can get crammed full of crap rather quickly and having 1 TB of cloud storage to keep things offline would be nice...

Except that syncing across devices will end up entering some sort of stupid "delete it all" loop.

Never had any virus eat as much of my stuff as I've had microsoft destroy with OneDrive.  I don't care if they give me 100 PB of web storage.  It's never going back on my PC ever again.

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+1 @madscijr  I will requote!

I really hated OneDrive, BTW, not just because of the endless nagging to pay for more storage, but because they effing repoint your Documents, Pictures, etc. folders to a different folder under OneDrive. It's SO invasive. If they would just let you use it like dropbox where you tell it what folders to sync, and don't move your stuff, that wouldn't be so damn irritating.

again not exactly being positive but I think people need to be warned.

My problem with OneDrive is it's a f'n virus.  Worst virus I've ever had on my PC.

Problem is it likes to upload crap to the cloud.
Then it deletes crap off your PC to save room, and marks it "download on demand".
Issue comes if you have multiple PCs and then they start trying to sync and sort crap out.

Holy ship! I think thats what crapped out my old Dell! I hadn't used it for awhile and when I went to check it at my new place it was emptied, wiped clean!

Never had any virus eat as much of my stuff as I've had microsoft destroy with OneDrive.  I don't care if they give me 100 PB of web storage.  It's never going back on my PC ever again.

+1 Steve mystery solved, I knew MS did something to it on an update probably. 

I guess I've got more worries down the line because I think I checked yes to syncing when setting up new computer or syncing to phone maybe? 

You might know or remember me as the one who gets impatient with walls of words specially setting up new computer and having a ton of other stuff to do when moving in, then there was another ton of stuff to do to get old place ready to sell, sheesh! 

I think I did Uninstall OneDrive or disabled it as much as I could. BTW I just got Outlook back after 30 day wait. I moved at the end of May.

The new computer was handy at my first chemo last week.