Fedora review on Distrowatch and RHEL family folly

[mnrvovrfc]

https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue...508#fedora

This but sucks so very hard.

It looks like IBM and Red Hat want as less people as possible programming, especially if the user is stuck using one operating system which belongs to Fedora/Red Hat Enterprise Linux family. They are not leaving behind the GNU Compiler Collection because they want to save disk space on the ISO!

They didn't dare touch Git (yet). :/

Kudos to Slackware, soon to celebrate its 30th anniversary for never, ever taking off many of the "devel" libraries and other tools needed to build PPA's and stuff like that. Because that was a requirement on Unix. Long live the slack!

I was going to post this on the QB64PE v3.7 release announcement thread but created a separate topic here because I would like other people to react to these news about one of the most popular distros around. React only to the review about Fedora 38 if you want. Correct me if this insinuation about "gcc" is not right LOL.

[aurel]

Long long time algo i tried RedHat and never again including Fedora or CentOS
it is too heavy bloated distro in any sense.

Slack is from the begining "folk" modular linux system not well supported as Debian
and aka "not popular " but that is a real shame because i think that is fast
new distros based on Slack as Salix or Solus are not good ..they are full of bugs and problems
but old like Volwix are great..

btw..why only react on Fedora...i think that one is not very popular
Ubuntu and derivatives are always IN,,,also MX Linux is probably the best
easpecially for Windows users...with biggest amount of downloads from sForge

[Ultraman]

I am a big fan of Zorin OS. Very easy transition as a Windows user.

[mnrvovrfc]

I presented this as something that could affect how QB64PE is developed or set up. What I was trying to get at is that on some distros, many megabytes of "gcc" would have to be installed as well as "g++". It's not necessary on Slackware: the whole compiler shebang and other dependencies like "libglu" and "libcurl" and "libopenssl" (on Debian these last two are combined for some reason, and I don't know the precise names of the libraries).

I have never tried ZorinOS. Never will since now they follow Ubuntu closely and might not be able to remove those Snaps... might be enough for the user not to install the Ubuntu shop if he/she doesn't want Snaps. But that has nothing to do with "snapd" which would remain in memory.

I was going to try ZorinOS last year but I guess Kubuntu LTS "Jammy" stopped me LOL. It's because I discovered a way to make sure the ebil Snaps and their daemon aren't put back in ever after I took them off... and extra sure by remaining totally offline with this installation.

I like Ubuntu, but not the company that makes it. Right now cannot say the same thing about Fedora/Red Hat which failed me very hard this year while others like OpenSUSE and ROSA present themselves much better, although they are all slow, not really for budget laptops and fairly difficult to deal with if the user wants to install more programs.

Unity desktop environment turned out to be a good thing near the latest time, used to be considered a smack-down-their-Prodigy move. Who knows, maybe the Snaps might be a good thing. However, I don't like intrusive software installer/removers that look anything like the M$ store and are slow, inefficient and could crash. I uninstalled Pamac from Manjaro. Also had to do that, and the outrageous "snapd" from ArcoLinux. (shake head)

[TerryRitchie]

I am a big fan of Zorin OS. Very easy transition as a Windows user.

Which version of Zorin are you using, Core, Lite, or Pro? I'm curious as to the level of support that is included with the Pro version. I've used Mint and PopOS! quite a bit but Zorin may appear to be a better fit for my household.

[Kernelpanic]

The supporters, the 105 percent supporters of Linux, are characterized by their "Linux hopping".

Today this lover, tomorrow another. Well, what do one call those lover who wanders from lover to lover?

I had use SuSE for over 14 years, alongside Windows, and I don't think that her eternal Linux fans are "Children of the sun". No!

[mnrvovrfc]

The supporters, the 105 percent supporters of Linux, are characterized by their "Linux hopping".

Today this lover, tomorrow another. Well, what do one call those lover who wanders from lover to lover?

I don't believe in marriage for love and happiness. For companionship, yes. For business safety, maybe. Much less do I believe in that with something that cannot talk back, cannot have feelings and doesn't care what one does with it.

I don't think distro-hopping is like changing lovers. The distros that I keep are like my good friends. The ones that totally bombed are like traitors, liars, cheaters and other bad people. The ones that made a good try to impress, because they were too slow, because they had a counterintuitive or controversial feature, because they were difficult to install or something else, are like work colleagues. Maybe they could be friends for convenience but otherwise cue up that song "I'm Not One of Your Friends!"

A distro-hopper might look bad to other people who don't understand having freedom of choice. Meanwhile, a lot of users of Unix and Unix-like operating systems can't understand why people tie themselves so much to a proprietary thing, that is not noticed as such only because it comes pre-installed on over 90% of computers being sold. The ones buying from Malibal and other such outlets, however, are beginning to blur the lines of conceit a little bit.

There is at least one distro, Manjaro KDE, that I had to reinstall twice. Once because I was dissatisfied with its behavior and thought I could improve on it. This isn't much different from people who backed up Windows and end up restoring that image after six months of usage, whether or not they are fond of installers and whether or not they could use software that keeps being made and broken on a given computer.

In the first period of online access on the older Toshiba computer I had, which now has a dead hard disk, I installed WindowsXP Service Pack 3 over SP2. I was dissatisfied with its performance, especially a few seconds after pressing the Windows key, before the Start menu opened. There were other things that convinced me to roll back to the Toshiba restoration DVD which gave me back SP2 and nothing else because I couldn't have Internet when I decided to do that.

If it doesn't work out and I believe I could do better, and I am able to, I'm going to make the change without hesitation. I have already purged Windows10 from a computer that I have, however I'm almost not using it these days. But on the laptop I am on frequently I seldom go into Windows because I don't have a good excuse for it, not even to help out people on this forum with issues with QB64(PE) on Windows.

[Kernelpanic]

@mnrvovrfc - Doesn't that cost a lot of energy to keep dealing with a new distro and its peculiarities?

As already mentioned, I had SuSE for about 14 years, from 4.3 to 11.3, but since there was always enough space on the 2nd hard disk, I also additionally tried a few other distris like: Mandrake, Debian 3.1, Kanotix and FreeBSD, but that everything was nothing. SuSE has always been the best Linux distribution for me.

And before openSuSE it was better than after, more user friendly and clearer in my opinion.

[SMcNeill]

From my experience, most folks are either Windows-users or else they're Linux-hoppers.  When someone jumps from Windows for whatever reason, it tends to signify that they're not content with anything less than what they consider "perfection".  Windows spies on you!  It's resource heavy!  Slow!  Hard to navigate in Explorer!  Whatever their gripe is -- and it's often several things -- they decide to change over to Linux...

So they start with Mint or Ubuntu... but it's too much like Windows!  Then to LinusXYZdistro which promises to be 1/10th as resource extensive -- but it won't work with their microphone or camera or headphones or....   So on to the next version which is supposed to be better -- except it doesn't do hardware acceleration right or screen scaling....  And on to...

Always looking for *perfection*, and never learning to work around any of the existing issues which they dislike. You show me a guy who says, "I use Linux," and I'll show you a guy who's used at least a half dozen different versions of Linux.

[mnrvovrfc]

@mnrvovrfc - Doesn't that cost a lot of energy to keep dealing with a new distro and its peculiarities?

Yes it does but it doesn't stop me. I just came out of purging EndeavourOS MATE in favor of Manjaro MATE. The other day I was checking out Garuda but it wanted an entire 64GB disk that I really needed for backing up other stuff. So I deleted that one as well. The other backup disk forced me to go into Windows to repair it because no Linux installation I had could recognize it. :O  Everything is good now.

I have the freedom to choose one or the other. I couldn't do this in February-2022 or before that, while I didn't have Internet. I had to suck up Windows, and didn't know any better. Without Internet it's impossible to make choices, because other parties do it for me when I buy a computer.

Windows users are surprised with the users of Linux and other Unix-like things complaining about "systemd", about the Ubuntu Snap shop, about the rise of immutable operating systems and other things. I have to accept "systemd" because I must have stuff working most of the time, and this is a lot like accepting MacOS or Windows having stuff working most of the time. But I could choose if I should have Snaps or not! And I could choose not to have something like Garuda or VanillaOS -- because I'm not rich enough to go buy a 5TB disk to create at least two partitions in "btrfs" format to satisfy the requirements for "most safety, most secure, most bulletproof".

As I've already said, I installed Manjaro MATE after a two-month hiatus. I took down the troublesome Pamac application handler. With that the system decided to remove "gcc" at its pleasure! Although I wouldn't miss other things like "Manjaro hello" and "snapd", it should have let me retain "gcc". It demonstrates I'm never going to be an intermediate to expert Linux user, or at least I'm not going to know deeply about Arch Linux nor any of its descendants.